Mr. McCloy. Do you have any rough recollection of the amount of time that passed between the time you heard the first shot and when you ran down to the west end of the building and looked out the window there and the time when you left the fifth floor and finally came down to the first floor where the police officers were? Can you give me a general estimate of about how much time that took?
Mr. Norman. To come down from the fifth floor?
Mr. McCloy. Yes. From the time you first heard the shot and saw what was going on in the motorcade and then ran down toward the western end of the building and then as I understand your testimony, you left there and went down to the—did you go down to the fourth floor first or did you go all the way down?
Mr. Norman. I believe we went all the way.
Mr. McCloy. Until you got down to the first floor, how much would you say was the entire length of that time, from the first shot until you got down on the first floor?
Mr. Norman. Oh, I would say somewhere between 10 or 15 minutes, somewhere like that.
Mr. McCloy. I don't think I have any other questions.
Mr. Ball. I have one question.
On the 26th of November, an FBI agent named Kreutzer advises us in a report that he talked to you. Do you remember that?
Mr. Norman. Yes, sir.