Mr. Jarman. He didn't come back to the building until they picked him up.

Mr. Ball. He did come back to the building before you left, did he?

Mr. Jarman. No, sir.

Mr. Ball. He didn't?

Mr. Jarman. No, sir.

Mr. Ball. He was not there when you left?

Mr. Jarman. No, sir.

Mr. Ball. When you were on the fifth floor, did you pay any attention to whether or not there was noise above you, before the shots were fired?

Mr. Jarman. No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball. In other words, if there was noise up there—let's put it this way. If there had been any noise up there, you didn't notice it?