Mr. Jarman. We walked around to the back entrance and went through this door here, and this elevator here was up on six, I believe. And we walked around the elevator and took the west elevator up.

Representative Ford. How could you tell this elevator was at six?

Mr. Jarman. Because after we got around to the other side we looked up.

Representative Ford. You could see it was on six?

Mr. Jarman. Yes.

Representative Ford. This was about what time?

Mr. Jarman. That was about 12:25 or 12:28.

Representative Ford. You got off the fifth floor?

Mr. Jarman. Yes, sir.

Representative Ford. As you rode the elevator, you noticed the other one was on the sixth floor?