Mr. Baker. Well, it is about 5 feet. I know I had to put my hand on top of it and tiptoe to see over it.

Mr. Belin. All right. Mr. Dulles is referring to the picture of the School Book Depository building on Exhibit 362 and in demonstrating before the Commission as to where your hands were about how high are they in relation to your shoulders or mouth or chin or what-have-you?

Mr. Baker. Approximately 5 feet.

Mr. Belin. Your hands are 5 feet high? Did you go over just to one roof side or to all sides of the roof?

Mr. Baker. No, sir; we came out at this northwest corner back behind this sign here.

Mr. Belin. All right.

Mr. Baker. And then I ran, kind of running walk, went all the way around. First I glanced over this side here, because the last thing I heard here on the radio was the chief saying, "Get some men up on that railroad track."

Mr. Belin. Did you hear that on your police radio?

Mr. Baker. Yes, sir; that was the last thing I heard.

Mr. Belin. As you were getting off your motorcycle?