Mr. Fritz. Any safer than transferring him during the day. I have always felt that that was Ruby who made that call, I may be wrong, but he was out late that night and I have always felt he might have made that call, if two or three of those officers had started out with him they may have had the same trouble they had the next morning.
I don't know whether we had been transferring him ourselves, I don't know that we would have used this same method but we certainly would have used security of some kind.
Mr. Ball. Now weren't you transferring him?
Mr. Fritz. Sir, yes, sir.
Mr. Ball. What do you mean if we were transferring him ourselves?
Mr. Fritz. I mean transferring like I was told to transfer him.
Mr. Ball. I beg your pardon?
Mr. Fritz. I was transferring him like the chief told me to transfer him.
Mr. Ball. How would you have transferred him?
Mr. Fritz. I did do one thing here, I should tell you about. When the chief came back and asked me if I was ready to transfer him, I told him I had already complained to the chief about the big cameras set up in the jail office and I was afraid we couldn't get out of the jail with him with all those cameras and all those people in the jail office.