Mr. Weissman. It is difficult to explain. The situation being as fluid as it was—you find that without anything solid to go on, you have got to change your stand a little bit in order to just get started.

Senator Cooper. Let me ask you something else. You said that you all had thought that to be able to fully pursue your political objectives, you needed to have a certain financial independence, is that correct?

Mr. Weissman. Yes.

Senator Cooper. Did you intend to get some financial support from these organizations, in addition to political support?

Mr. Weissman. No; not directly. We felt that after we had accomplished our goal—this is assuming we would accomplish our goal—any treasury that they had through membership dues or what-have-you would then be a common treasury, a CUSA treasury.

Senator Cooper. You had the idea that you could infiltrate and get control of these organizations, then you would have a source of revenue through their treasury, or through whatever treasury you were able to build up?

Mr. Weissman. Yes.

Senator Cooper. Did you think, also, in terms of contributions to these organizations from individuals?

Mr. Weissman. It had been discussed—never very completely. It had just been brought up. But we didn't know exactly what we were going to do, really.

Senator Cooper. Was there any discussion about the support of these organizations—about the financial support of these organizations, that they might be a source of funds?