Mr. Weissman. Well, it came to a point where everything we were doing we had to go talk to Joe—big brother. And that is just the way it worked out.
Mr. Jenner. This is Joe Grinnan?
Mr. Weissman. Yes. They were getting a grip on us, and Bill and I felt that we had to bust this grip somehow.
Mr. Dulles. Was he prominent in the Birch Society?
Mr. Weissman. Yes; he was known.
Mr. Dulles. Joe Grinnan?
Mr. Weissman. Yes; he was known as a coordinator.
Representative Ford. This one question that was inserted at the insistence of one of the contributors, which reads as follows: "Why has the foreign policy of the United States degenerated to the point the C.I.A. is arranging coups and having staunch anti-Communist allies of the U.S. bloodily exterminated"—to what does that refer? Do you have any specific information?
Mr. Weissman. I know it specifically refers to the Vietnam thing, with the overthrow of Diem, and the subsequent murder of the Diem people.
Representative Ford. Was that said to you at the time?