Mr. Klause. Well, I tried to shoot them, and I could not shoot them. We have our own camera. We take a picture of it—reproduce it.

Mr. Jenner. You must assume that none of us is experienced in the printing business. And when you say "shoot"——

Mr. Klause. I will explain myself more carefully. When they were brought to me——

Mr. Jenner. By Mr. Surrey?

Mr. Klause. Yes, sir. Then I tried to make negatives of them——

Mr. Jenner. Negatives on film?

Mr. Klause. Yes, sir; on film.

Mr. Jenner. Yes.

Mr. Klause. I could not do it. When I take a picture of copy, on most of your offset or lithography work, you have dot patterns. And when I would try to use my camera, the dot patterns would kind of blur, and you could not see what it was. It was just a big blur. So I sent the negatives of the two pictures downtown, down to Monk Brothers Lithography Service downtown, which shoots nothing but negatives.

Mr. Jenner. That is J. T. Monk?