Mr. Brian. Well, I don't remember when they started putting it in the newspapers. There had been something about it to make him, somewhere to make him say, he was trying to convince me he was telling the truth and I said, "Well, I know you are."
I don't know what brought it on, I don't know whether it was a newspaper report or something, but anyway there was some—maybe Chief Curry was on him about it, I don't know. But he said that he was telling the truth and I told him I knew he was telling the truth because I had heard it.
Mr. Rankin. You said you were there with him?
Mr. Brian. Yes, sir.
Mr. Rankin. How close were you to him when he was talking to Hosty?
Mr. Brian. Right next to him when we were talking with him. We talked around there and how you meet, you know, you walk up together and meet and went on with him.
Mr. Dulles. You were walking toward the elevator at that time, weren't you?
Mr. Brian. Let me draw you a little picture of how that is down there.
Mr. Dulles. I have been in the basement so I know something about it.
Mr. Brian. Yes, sir. But the ramp goes up here, this is why it would be easier to draw a picture and it would be easier than I can explain. He came down the ramp.