Mr. Gregory. When she could not get the audience with the man?

Mr. Rankin. That's right.* **

*Mrs. Oswald. It was approximately in January 1962.

Mr. Rankin. And did he tell you what happened at that meeting?*

*Mrs. Oswald. He did not meet with—he did not get to see Colonel Aksenov.

Mr. Rankin. But he did see someone else in there?

*Mrs. Oswald. Apparently he talked to someone who substituted or was inferior to Colonel Aksenov.

Mr. Rankin. And what did he tell you happened at that time?*

*Mrs. Oswald. Lee told me that when he came to MVD he asked to see Colonel Aksenov, and the people in the office asked him the nature of the business he wanted to discuss with him, and he told them that it was about exit visas, and they told him that he could not see Aksenov, but that they, whoever "they" were, were empowered to act on that question, but he insisted on seeing the colonel, and he did not get to see him.

Mr. Rankin. Then what happened?*