Dr. Olivier. This was a similar setup used for firing through gelatin. It had clothing and skin over the entrance side only. If it had been placed on the other side it would have just flown off.

Mr. Specter. And that is similar to that depicted in 846?

Dr. Olivier. Essentially; yes.

Mr. Specter. Except that it is——

Dr. Olivier. Gelatin instead of the tissues.

Mr. Specter. Now at what range was the firing performed on the gelatin, goatmeat and horsemeat?

Dr. Olivier. This firing was done at a 60-yard range.

Mr. Specter. And what gun was used?

Dr. Olivier. The 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano that was marked Commission Exhibit 139.

Mr. Specter. And what bullets were used?