Mr. Kelley. I am not——

Mr. Specter. Would the President have been about an inch and half higher than the Governor on the day of the assassination?

Mr. Kelley. The day of the assassination, yes.

Mr. Specter. And were——

The Chairman. Wouldn't the height of these men depend upon the length of their torso?

Mr. Kelley. Well,——

The Chairman. You have some people who are shortwaisted, some people who are longwaisted. I don't know which either of these men were who were of the same height. But I know there is a lot of difference in men. We sometimes see the—a man who looks large sitting down, when he stands up he is small, because he has a long torso, and vice versa.

Mr. Kelley. Of course the relative positions are apparent from the films that were taken at the time of the assassination. It would be, of course, that judgment—and it would have to be a judgment. But I think the films indicate there was just about that much difference in their height when both were seated.

Mr. Specter. Inspector Kelley, I hand you a photograph marked as Commission Exhibit No. 697, which has heretofore been admitted into evidence, and identified by Governor Connally as depicting the President and the Governor as they rode in the motorcade on the day of the assassination, and I ask you if the stand-ins for the President and the Governor were seated in approximately the same relative positions on the reconstruction on May 24.

Mr. Kelley. Yes, sir; in my judgment that is very close.