Mr. Frazier. I don't know how to answer that question except possibly to go back to the frame numbers of the Zapruder film and you will find they are about equally spaced from frame 161 just before the tree to frame, say, 220, which is just a few frames after the tree, that is 59 or approximately 60 frames, from that point. But from frame 222 to the last shot of frame 313 is 78 and 13, 91 frames, so there is more time between the second and third than the first and second, assuming that the second one actually occurred and that it occurred at about the middle of that interval.

Mr. McCloy. In the middle of that frame, yes. I think that is pretty persuasive.

Mr. Dulles. I didn't quite follow that.

Mr. McCloy. There seemed to be more frames between, going backwards, between the third shot, that is between the time that——

Mr. Dulles. The first shot went astray, you don't know whether it was fired. You have no way of getting at that.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. McCloy. Thank you very much, Mr. Frazier.

Mr. Specter. I want to call Inspector Kelley for observations from the underpass.

May the record show that Inspector Thomas Kelley has returned to the witness chair.

TESTIMONY OF THOMAS J. KELLEY RESUMED