(Mr. Arlen Specter, a staff counsel, entered the room.)

Chief Justice Warren. This is another man on my staff, Mr. Specter. Would you mind if he came in?

(Chief Justice Warren introduced the men around the room.)

Mr. Ruby. Is there any way to get me to Washington?

Chief Justice Warren. I beg your pardon?

Mr. Ruby. Is there any way of you getting me to Washington?

Chief Justice Warren. I don't know of any. I will be glad to talk to your counsel about what the situation is, Mr. Ruby, when we get an opportunity to talk.

Mr. Ruby. I don't think I will get a fair representation with my counsel, Joe Tonahill. I don't think so. I would like to request that I go to Washington and you take all the tests that I have to take. It is very important.

Mr. Tonahill. Jack, will you tell him why you don't think you will get a fair representation?

Mr. Ruby. Because I have been over this for the longest time to get the lie detector test. Somebody has been holding it back from me.