Mr. Rankin. You are the same Waggoner Carr who has participated from time to time in observing these hearings and cooperating with the Commission regarding its work?

Mr. Carr. Yes.

Mr. Rankin. Insofar as the State of Texas is concerned?

Mr. Carr. Yes.

Mr. Rankin. Were you here when Henry Wade was testifying with regard to a conversation between himself and yourself, this morning?

Mr. Carr. Yes, sir.

Mr. Rankin. Would you relate to us that conversation as you recall it, both what you said and what he said?

Mr. Carr. As I recall, it was around 8 or 9 o'clock at night on November 22, 1963, when I received a long-distance telephone call from Washington from someone in the White House. I can't for the life of me remember who it was.

A rumor had been heard here that there was going to be an allegation in the indictment against Oswald connecting the assassination with an international conspiracy, and the inquiry was made whether I had any knowledge of it, and I told him I had no knowledge of it.

As a matter of fact, I hadn't been in Dallas since the assassination and was not there at the time of the assassination.