No, no; this says that he appeared at the Embassy on July 8, and so this was probably prepared on the 8th of July.
I would say then it must have taken place on the 11th of July.
Mr. Coleman. It is your testimony, therefore, that Commission Exhibit No. 959, which is the petition to classify status of alien for issuance of immigrant visa, was prepared on July 11, 1961?
Mr. McVickar. Oh, yes; that is correct.
Mr. Coleman. That was probably the day that Marina came into the Embassy?
Mr. McVickar. Probably the day she came into the Embassy, and probably the day on which I interviewed her.
Mr. Coleman. And, therefore, the notes, Commission Exhibit No. 945, were apparently made on July 11?
Mr. McVickar. Yes; apparently made then on July 11. They formed the basis of this later communication of August 28, and I now think that the reason that this was not done sooner, was because it was not an urgent matter, because they had not yet received exit visas, and we were in the process of processing cases that had received exit visas, and were ready to go, and no one could tell when they might get Soviet exit visas.
Mr. Dulles. Which is the chicken and which is the egg here? I mean, do you get your exit visas before you know whether you are going to get into the country of destination, or do you get your permission to go to the United States before you get your exit visa?
Mr. McVickar. In an ordinary country you would apply for your American visa, and then apply for your exit visa, or permission to depart from the country, after you had your American visa.