Representative Ford. Mr. Dulles, I do have to leave. Would you take over and preside as chairman.
Mr. Dulles. I want to raise this question. Now the record here in this memorandum indicates that the exit visa to Marina was issued at least 2 months before the State Department gave the entry permit. It seems to me to be contrary to the testimony we have previously had, because in a letter dated March 16—what is this exhibit number?
Mr. Coleman. That is Commission Document No. 2. It hasn't been marked as an exhibit yet.
Mr. Dulles. Oh, it has not been marked. I don't understand what that number can be.
Mr. Coleman. That is the number, Commission Document No. 2.
Mr. Dulles. Commission Document No. 2 prepared by the State Department. It is stated here that on March 16th the Soviet Affairs Office of the State Department advised the Visa Office of the Department of State, and in that it said that the Soviet had already issued an exit visa. So Marina had the exit visa some time before March 16, 1962.
Do you know the date when the exit visa was granted?
Mr. McVickar. Well, sir, I left in September of 1961, and so I don't know the details of this part of the case, but I think it is consistent because—in fact, I did see in the record that the exit visa was received by the Embassy on about January the 12th, as I recall it.
Mr. Coleman. 1962?
Mr. McVickar. Of 1962, and that, therefore, the Embassy would then have proceeded with the documentation and the processing, some of which had already been initiated to get them out.