In other words, what they heard rather than what they saw?

Mr. Sawyer. Correct. That is correct. Some of them claimed that they had heard shots, or thought they heard shots from over the overpass.

Mr. Belin. Did all the people you talked to say that they heard shots over the overpass? Claim they had some knowledge about where the shots came from?

Did they all say they heard shots from the overpass, or did they say they heard some from other places?

Mr. Sawyer. No. Very few said they heard the shots come from the overpass, or thought they heard them from that area.

Mr. Belin. Well, where did other people say they heard shots come from?

Mr. Sawyer. Most of the people that heard the shots pointed out the Texas Book Depository.

Mr. Belin. Did some of the people that heard shots, or thought they heard shots from the Texas School Book Depository, all say they saw a rifle there?

Mr. Sawyer. No.

Mr. Belin. Most of them say they saw a rifle there?