Mr. Ball. From the wall and on the floor?
Mr. Kaiser. Laying on the floor.
Mr. Ball. And were there any boxes between the wall and the clipboard?
Mr. Kaiser. No, not between the wall and the clipboard—there wasn't.
Mr. Ball. Were there boxes between the stairway and the clipboard?
Mr. Kaiser. No, you see, here's—let me see just a second—here's the stairs right here, and we went down this way and here's the stairs this way going up and here's the—and it was laying right in here by the cards—there are about four or five cards, I guess, running in front of it—just laying between the part you go down and the part you go up.
Mr. Ball. You mean laying between the stairway up and the stairway down?
Mr. Kaiser. Yes, right there in the corner.
Mr. Ball. Did you examine that clipboard?
Mr. Kaiser. I didn't touch it.