Mr. Specter. Now, refer to that if you wish, if it will help you answer the last question.
Dr. Giesecke. I arrived in the emergency room at 12:40 p.m., between 12:40 and 12:45.
Mr. Specter. And who was present at the time you arrived?
Dr. Giesecke. Dr. Jenkins was present, Dr. Carrico, Dr. Dulany, Dr. Baxter, Dr. Perry, Dr. McClelland, and Drs. Akin and Hunt arrived at the same time that I did.
Mr. Specter. Were there any other people present, such as nurses?
Dr. Giesecke. Mrs. Kennedy was in the room—I could not say—I can't say who else was there. There may have been a nurse there, I just don't remember. It seemed to me there was a Secret Service man there too, with Mrs. Kennedy.
Mr. Specter. Are you sure Dr. Dulany was there, as distinguished from being with Governor Connally?
Dr. Giesecke. Perhaps—perhaps—I'm shaky on that.
Mr. Specter. The reason I asked you about that specifically is because Dr. Carriro testified this morning that he and Dr. Dulany were on duty and Dr. Dulany went immediately with Governor Connally and Dr. Carrico went to President Kennedy.
Dr. Giesecke. That may well be.