Mr. Couch. Right.

Mr. Belin. About where in the motorcade was your car? Do you remember offhand?

Mr. Couch. Uh-uh—roughly—and I'm not sure—the fifth or sixth car back from the lead car. I'm not sure which one.

Mr. Belin. Now, do you remember, as you approached Houston Street on Main about how fast the motorcade was going?

Mr. Couch. I would estimate—uh—20 miles an hour. The speed had picked up some. Everyone gave a sigh a relief that—uh—it was over; and one of the cameramen, I remember, his camera broke and another one was out of film. Everyone was relaxed. And—uh—of course, then we turned north on Houston, and it was there that we heard the first gunshot.

Mr. Belin. All right. Before we get to the first gunshot—do you remember who was riding in the car with you?

Mr. Couch. Uh—an best I can, it was Jimmy Darnell—Channel 5: uh—Bob Jackson—Times Herald; Jim Underwood—KRLD-TV; and the fellow—uh—Mr. Dillard—Tom Dillard—Dallas Morning News. And the driver of the car; I don't know his name.

Mr. Belin. Were you sitting in the front or the back seat?

Mr. Couch. Sitting in the back.

Mr. Belin. Do you remember anything about your position as to the way you were sitting in the back?