Mr. Holland. Oh, maybe 3 or 4 minutes after I got up there, and 3 or 4 minutes after I got up to the end of the fence.

Mr. Stern. This number of cars, this is an area in which cars are regularly parked?

Mr. Holland. Yes.

Mr. Stern. A parking area for the School Book Depository?

Mr. Holland. No; it is a parking area for the sheriff's department and people over to the courthouse. They park in there.

Mr. Stern. I see.

Mr. Holland. Sheriff's department parks in there. District attorneys' cars park in there. It is railroad property, but they let them park in there and save that 25 cents. Don't put that down. Might get in trouble.

Now, do you want to know about the two policemen that were riding in that motorcade and one of them throwed the motorcycle down right in the middle of the street and run up towards that location with his gun in his hand.

Mr. Stern. Toward——

Mr. Holland. The location that——