Mr. Murphy. I don't recall—on that overpass—right after the shots, I did see then a group of people running up the side of this embankment on Elm and running. That would be here—right in here.
Mr. Ball. To the north of Elm?
Mr. Murphy. To the north of Elm.
Mr. Ball. Would you put an arrow showing the direction they were running and mark that arrow as "7"—that's the direction you saw people running?
Mr. Murphy. (Marked diagram as requested by Counsel Ball.) Yes, they were running up in this direction and then in behind this Book Depository. Oh, I could tell a lot of them were photographers, because I could see their cameras in their hands and then a number of other people, and then I did see some officers also running in that direction.
Mr. Ball. Did you see what the railroad men did who were at Position (6) on your map?
Mr. Murphy. No; because right at that time that traffic began backing up on the freeway and I had turned in to try to keep them moving, but I found that I couldn't move them because it was blocked down below me, north of me and there was traffic just stacked up from where the other officers had it stopped there.
Mr. Ball. How long did you stay at your position?
Mr. Murphy. Well, I stayed until, I guess, it was about maybe 3 minutes after we heard the shots and then the broadcast came over the radio that there had been a shooting—the President had been shot—and then I went towards the Book Depository.
I got on my motor and went towards the Book Depository then—off of the freeway; and then was there up around the Book Depository for the next—I would say hour or hour and a half at least.