Mr. Rackley. Yes.
Mr. Belin. Before 12?
Mr. Rackley. Yes.
Mr. Belin. Sometime between 11 and 12?
Mr. Rackley. Well, it was at the time that, really, that they had shot him, because I was there when the policemen covered the place.
Mr. Belin. You were there when the policemen covered the place?
Mr. Rackley. Yes.
Mr. Belin. With relation to the time that the policemen covered the place, how many minutes before that did you see the birds fly up?
Mr. Rackley. I saw the pigeons there 2 or 3 minutes before that.
Mr. Belin. Now after you saw the pigeons, you saw the police covering the place?