Mr. Stern. Did this give you any further assurance that—about the right to counsel question?
Mr. Olds. Possibly so, it was——
Mr. Stern. I don't want to put the idea in your head.
Mr. Olds. Well, I know, but we had the idea that Oswald was not being accurate when he said he had been denied, because in our dealings with the police here, we have had reason to believe that they are very careful of this sort of thing. And certainly in a case of this notoriety, certainly, our tendency was to believe that, but I have always been sorry that we didn't talk with Oswald, because it was not clear whether we would be permitted to see him that night or not.
Mr. Stern. But, you did not ask to see him?
Mr. Olds. No; we did not, which I think was a mistake on my part.
Mr. Stern. Did anything transpire on Saturday, November 23?
Mr. Olds. Not so much. I was watching television most of the day and then the matter of counsel was raised, I think, during that day. During the—I suppose when Oswald was being transferred in the hall again, and—let's see—this is when Mr. Nichols went down late this afternoon, I think around 5:30, and he reported after that that he had seen Oswald in respect to the same reasons that we had for going down there Saturday night, to see if he wanted some sort of legal representation, and to make sure whether or not he was denied—being denied it, and he said that he was satisfied that—in essence, Oswald told Nichols he was satisfied with the situation. I can detail this conversation if you would like, as it was told to me.
Mr. Stern. No.
Mr. Olds. Well, that was the essence of what was found out.