Of course in the one that President Roosevelt came there, it was more functions and more places to go, including two cities.

Mr. Stern. Yes. But——

Mr. Sorrels. But the actual preparation was along the same lines.

Mr. Stern. You have been following a procedure and pattern as long as you have been doing this kind of work?

Mr. Sorrels. Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern. It has been pretty much the same procedure?

Mr. Sorrels. That is correct, sir.

Mr. Stern. When you know that a President is coming to the area under your jurisdiction, what arrangements do you try to work out with the Police Department?

Mr. Sorrels. We will have a conference with the Chief of Police and his key personnel, usually when it is determined what the program is going to be.

In some instances where there has to be a meeting with the advance man from the White House detail, and for the local committee and the plans are not entirely solid, we have found that to bring the police in at that time is a little bit premature, because I have known of instances where we have had such meetings and the orders have been cut, and then they had to be changed, because of some change.