Mr. Sorrels. That was Saturday morning. And it is my understanding that Oswald did attempt to reach this man on the phone.
Mr. Stern. But you didn't observe it?
Mr. Sorrels. I did not observe that; no.
Mr. Stern. Did you hear him mention at any time a lawyer from the American Civil Liberties Union?
Mr. Sorrels. Yes. He said if he could not get this man—I wish I could remember his name—a very short name, Apt or something like that.
Mr. Stern. A-b-t?
Mr. Sorrels. Yes, A-b-t. Yes—if he couldn't get him, he wanted a lawyer supplied by the Civil Liberties Union.
Mr. Stern. What else occurred at the interview on Saturday that you can remember?
Mr. Sorrels. He was questioned about the rifle, because, at that time, as I recall it, it had been determined that the rifle had been purchased from Kleins in Chicago, and shipped to a person using the name of A. Hidell. And he was questioned by Captain Fritz along those lines. And he denied that the rifle was his. He denied knowing or using the name of A. Hidell, or Alek Hidell.
He was, of course, questioned about his background and he at that time still maintained an arrogant, defiant attitude. The questions were, of course, directed towards getting information. A lot of them he would not answer. And a lot of the answers, of course, were apparent falsehoods.