Mr. Truly. He was on the sixth floor in the area where they found the rifle.

Mr. Ball. And was the rifle there at the time?

Mr. Truly. No, I never saw the rifle.

Mr. Ball. Was this after or before the rifle had been taken from the building?

Mr. Truly. It was before the rifle had been taken from the building.

Mr. Ball. And do you know whether it was before or after the rifle was found?

Mr. Truly. Apparently the rifle had been found before I got to the sixth floor, but just how early, I don't know.

Mr. Ball. But you had heard that the rifle was found, had you, by your talk with Fritz?

Mr. Truly. That's—I don't know—I learned it was found while I was on the sixth floor.

Mr. Ball. While you were on the sixth floor?