Mr. Ball. Of the first-grade level?
Mr. Shelley. Yes.
Mr. Ball. Those cartons were larger than the Rolling Readers, aren't they?
Mr. Shelley. About four time as large.
Mr. Ball. Can you describe their size in inches?
Mr. Shelley. I would say they are around 22 long, 18 wide, and 20 tall, approximately.
Mr. Ball. What would you say is the size—was the size of the Rolling Reader?
Mr. Shelley. It's about 12 inches long—6 by 6.
Mr. Ball. Now, was there a place where things and those books were usually stacked on the sixth floor?
Mr. Shelley. Yes, sir.