Mr. Shields. I was.
Mr. Ball. For what time?
Mr. Shields. I'd say from about 5 to 12 to about 10 after 12; I mean, about 5 to 12 to 10 after 12—I heard the shooting.
Mr. Ball. The shooting was at 12:30.
Mr. Shields. It was—that's when we was standing there watching the parade when it came through.
Mr. Ball. How did you get around to see him before?
Mr. Shields. We just got on the parking lot there because we go up there and sit down there and talk with James Tracey.
Mr. Ball. Who is James Tracey?
Mr. Shields. He was the manager of the lot—there's somebody else there now.
Mr. Ball. That lot is where?