Mr. Hubert. Now I want to ask you to state what you observed concerning the actual shooting of the President, and perhaps the best way to start is to tell us what position you were in in the Presidential parade.

Mr. Cabell. We were separated from the President's car by the car in which the Vice President and Senator Yarborough were riding, and by a station wagon holding, I think, certain members of the press and possibly some Secret Service, and I believe one other car of Secret Service so there were either two or three intervening cars between our place in the motorcade and the Presidential car.

Mr. Hubert. Who was in your car other than the driver?

Mr. Cabell. Mrs. Cabell and Congressman Ray Roberts from McKinney, Tex., Congressman from the Fourth District, and myself.

Mr. Hubert. Just the three of you?

Mr. Cabell. That is correct.

Mr. Hubert. Do you remember who the driver was?

Mr. Cabell. I do not remember his name. He was a member of the Department of Public Safety of the State of Texas.

Mr. Hubert. When did you observe anything at all relative to the shooting of the President?

Mr. Cabell. Well, we were just rounding the corner of Market and Elm, making the left turn, when the first shot rang out.