Mr. Hubert. Two to one ratio?

Mr. Cabell. Approximately that. And again I say that, as you mentioned, as a matter of being relative. I couldn't tell you the exact seconds because they were not counted.

Mr. Hubert. Now when you became conscious that these were shots and that they seemed to be coming from the building known as the Texas School Book Depository Building, did you look toward that building?

Mr. Cabell. My back was turned to it at the time, because I was riding in the front seat and was conversing with Mrs. Cabell and Mr. Roberts.

Mr. Hubert. Who were in the back? And you were next to the driver?

Mr. Cabell. I was sitting in the front seat with the driver. This was a convertible in which we were riding with the top down.

Mr. Hubert. So that actually the shots seemed to you to come from behind?

Mr. Cabell. From behind.

Mr. Hubert. Did you turn in the direction of the shots?

Mr. Cabell. I turned then, rather looking down toward the Presidential car, and then I saw the people scattering and some throwing themselves on the ground. One man threw himself over a child that was sitting in the grass there. I did not observe anything in connection with the building itself.