Mr. Liebeler. At the end of Dealey Plaza toward the Triple Underpass, and I think that those steps are the same steps we can see in the left front foreground of Baker Exhibit No. 1.

Mrs. Baker. That's the sign right in there—that big sign there, and I don't know—the sign would be here, you know.

Mr. Liebeler. That's right, and the sign that we see in the very left front foreground of the picture would be the sign here that is toward the Triple Underpass from the steps to go down to Dealey Plaza on the right-hand side of Elm Street?

Mrs. Baker. Yes; this is confusing.

Mr. Liebeler. In any event, you are quite clear in your mind that you saw this thing hit before you heard the second shot?

Mrs. Baker. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler. So, if what you saw hitting the street was, in fact, a bullet, it would have been the first shot?

Mrs. Baker. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler. Did you see anything else around the area of the Texas School Book Depository Building that day that you think might have anything to do with the assassination?

Mrs. Baker. I don't know, but before the parade ever got there, someone passed out and I guess it would be to the left, coming down Elm Street over in this plaza between Elm Street and Main, because an ambulance pulled up and picked someone up—we never could tell who. This was before the motorcade ever got to Houston Street—I would say onto Elm Street.