Mr. Belin. Who knocked who?
Mr. Brewer. He knocked McDonald down. McDonald fell against one of the seats. And then real quick he was back up.
Mr. Belin. When you say he was——
Mr. Brewer. McDonald was back up. He just knocked him down for a second and he was back up. And I jumped off the stage and was walking toward that, and I saw this gun come up and—in Oswald's hand, a gun up in the air.
Mr. Belin. Did you see from where the gun came?
Mr. Brewer. No.
Mr. Belin. You saw the gun up in the air?
Mr. Brewer. And somebody hollered "He's got a gun."
And there were a couple of officers fighting him and taking the gun away from him, and they took the gun from him, and he was fighting, still fighting, and I heard some of the police holler, I don't know who it was, "Kill the President, will you." And I saw fists flying and they were hitting him.
Mr. Belin. Was he fighting back at that time?