Mr. Ely. And what rank do you hold in the police department?
Mr. Owens. Sergeant.
Mr. Ely. How long have you been with the police department?
Mr. Owens. Twenty-three and a half years.
Mr. Ely. Could you give us a general idea of what you did before you went with the department?
Mr. Owens. How far back?
Mr. Ely. Starting with your schooling, let's say.
Mr. Owens. Most of my schooling was in Dallas. I was born in Madill [spelling] M-a-d-i-l-l, Okla. I started school in Wilburton, Okla., and from there to Shawnee, Okla., and from there to Ennis, Tex., and then to Dallas, and then I went through Winnetka. I'll say I graduated from City Park Grammar School and Forest Avenue High School. After I got out of school in the depression, I went to work at the Baker Hotel as a bellhop. I left there and went up to Oklahoma for approximately a year, came back and went to work at Sears, Roebuck and worked there 2½ years, and then went to work for the public works department in construction, as a chainman in a survey crew until, let's see, that was in 1938. I worked their until the spring of 1940. I worked 2 months in the fire department, left, and went back to engineers. In October 1940, I went to work in the police department. December 1, 1942, I went in the Navy and got out January 6, 1946, and I returned to the police department.
Mr. Ely. And you have been there ever since?
Mr. Owens. Yes.