Mr. Applin. I guess that would be about three seats. They was sitting about two or three seats.
Mr. Ball. What did you see him do?
Mr. Applin. He—started off, the officer said, "Will you stand up, please?" And he stood up.
Mr. Ball. How close were you to the officer and this man when you heard the officer say, "Stand up"?
Mr. Applin. I guess it was about—it was not over four seats down from the back, rear.
Mr. Ball. Were you at the rear?
Mr. Applin. Yes, sir; I was at the rear of the show.
Mr. Ball. You were at the rear of the show?
Mr. Applin. Yes, sir; well, there was a partition here. A partition here [indicating], and there was about, oh, I guess about four rows down from me.
Mr. Ball. All right. In other words, the officer hadn't reached you yet, when he asked Oswald to stand up?