Mr. Applin. Right fist.
Mr. Ball. Took a swing at him and what happened then?
Mr. Applin. Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later, there was another—I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and ran down there to him.
Mr. Ball. Did you see a gun?
Mr. Applin. Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
Mr. Ball. Then did you see a gun?
Mr. Applin. Yes, sir; but only—there was one gun. The pistol. It came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. Ball. That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who pulled a gun?
Mr. Applin. Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way [indicating] and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the gun was pointed out that way [indicating].
Mr. Ball. Wait a minute. I can't follow you when you say it was "this way," and "this way," sir. You told me that this officer asked Oswald to stand up?