Mr. Applin. The officer grabbed him then.
Mr. Ball. Had you seen the pistol up to that time?
Mr. Applin. No, sir; there was not one in view then.
Mr. Ball. How soon after that did you see the pistol?
Mr. Applin. I guess it was about—I guess it was about 2 or 3 seconds.
Mr. Ball. Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. Applin. I guess it was Oswald, because—for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
Mr. Ball. What did the officer do?
Mr. Applin. Well, the officer was scuffling with him there, and——
Mr. Ball. Did you hear anything?