Mr. Westbrook. Well, he was sitting in the middle row of seats, and I don't know just exactly which—it was the third or fourth row from the back, it seemed like.
Mr. Ball. And near what aisle?
Mr. Westbrook. He was about the middle of the aisle.
Mr. Ball. He was about the middle of the aisle?
Mr. Westbrook. Yes; about the middle of the aisle. So, about the time I reached the first step or maybe the second step, I noticed then Officer McDonald—of course, the stage was still dim, but I could tell it was McDonald. I know him. He used to work for me when I was radio patrolman, and I seen him go down the aisle and this boy come up and made a contact, and they started struggling.
Mr. Ball. You say "the boy come up," what did he do?
Mr. Westbrook. He got up from the seat and they started fighting.
Mr. Ball. Were the lights on in the theatre?
Mr. Westbrook. Very dim ones; the picture was still running, but the lights were on very dim.
Mr. Ball. They started fighting—what sort of fighting did you see?