Mr. Sims. I don't remember if he took them in his possession then or not.

Mr. Ball. But you helped him pick them up?

Mr. Sims. I picked them up from the floor and he had an envelope there and he held the envelope open.

Mr. Ball. You didn't take them in your possession, did you?

Mr. Sims. No, sir; I don't believe I did.

Mr. Ball. When the rifle was found, were you there?

Mr. Sims. No, sir; we we still on the sixth floor where the hulls were, I believe.

Mr. Ball. Did you see anyone pick the rifle up off the floor?

Mr. Sims. Yes, sir; I believe Lieutenant Day—he dusted the rifle there for fingerprints.

Mr. Ball. And did you see Fritz do anything?