Mr. Sims. I don't remember what time they had moved in—I don't remember.

Mr. Ball. Tell me what happened when you got back?

Mr. Sims. Well, sir, I think he talked to a detective then—he's a lieutenant now—Captain Fritz talked to Baker and said, "While we was up in the Book Depository Store we heard Officer Tippit had been shot," and so Baker, I believe, told Captain Fritz that they had the man that had shot Officer Tippit, in the interrogation room.

Mr. Ball. Who was that Baker?

Mr. Sims. He was a detective then, but he's a lieutenant now. He has been in the office there for several years.

Mr. Ball. Baker told Fritz that Tippit had been shot?

Mr. Sims. No, sir; that we had heard that on the sixth floor of the Book Store, but he told Captain Fritz that the man that shot Officer Tippit was there in the interrogation room, or something to that effect.

Mr. Ball. What happened then?

Mr. Sims. Well, I don't know, let's see, we took Oswald at 2:20, Boyd and I, took Oswald from the interrogation room to Captain Fritz' office.

Mr. Ball. You and Boyd?