Mr. Sims. Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball. What were their names?
Mr. Sims. They were—well, it would be Clark and Perry and Oswald.
Mr. Ball. Give their full names, if you will.
Mr. Sims. All right.
Mr. Ball. And what their position is with the Dallas Police Department.
Mr. Sims. No. 1 was Bill Perry, W. E. Perry, he was No. 1, with the Dallas Police Department, and No. 2 was Lee Harvey Oswald, and No. 3 was R. L. Clark with the Dallas Police Department, and No. 4 was Don Ables, who is a civilian jail clerk.
Mr. Ball. And who selected Don Ables to be in the showup?
Mr. Sims. I don't know who selected him.
Mr. Ball. Does he have his office in the jail?