Mr. Ball. You didn't record the names of the Secret Service officers?
Mr. Sims. No, sir.
Mr. Ball. Now, do you remember how long this interrogation of Oswald took place?
Mr. Sims. Well, sir, we took him back to the second showup at 6:20, so that would be a matter of 2 hours. Now, whether he was in Captain Fritz' office all this time or in the interrogation room some of the time or Captain Fritz' office all the time, I don't remember.
Mr. Ball. Now, at this second interrogation at Captain Fritz' office beginning at 4:20, was Oswald handcuffed?
Mr. Sims. Well, now, I can't tell you—I don't remember if he were handcuffed or not.
Mr. Ball. Did you make any notes of what was said at that time?
Mr. Sims. No, sir; I never did make any notes of any of the interrogation.
Mr. Ball. Do you remember anything that was said at 4:20?
Mr. Sims. No, sir; I couldn't.