Mr. Ball. Were the television cameras in there also?
Mr. Sims. Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball. And this was about what time?
Mr. Sims. Well, it would be about 12—we kept him in there about 5 minutes and went to the jail office about 12:20, so that would have been about, I guess, about 12:15.
Mr. Ball. Tell me exactly what Chief Curry told you before you took him down there—what were his exact instructions?
Mr. Sims. I don't believe Chief Curry said anything to me.
Mr. Ball. Captain Fritz told you to take him down there?
Mr. Sims. We were told to take him down to the press—to the police assembly room.
Mr. Ball. Who gave you those specific orders?
Mr. Sims. Well, I couldn't say who gave me those specific orders.