Mr. Stovall. They had brought him into the office after I was there.

Mr. Ball. Later on, did her husband come in there—come in the house?

Mr. Stovall. Yes, I guess we had been there approximately 15 minutes when Michael Paine came out and said he had taken off from work and he said he heard about the President's murder on television and he thought he would come right on out and see if he could be of any help.

Mr. Ball. Did he say whether or not he had heard about it on radio or television?

Mr. Stovall. No, sir; I don't recall him saying where he said he heard about it—I don't recall him saying that.

Mr. Ball. Did you ask him any questions at that time?

Mr. Stovall. No, sir; I can't recall asking him anything at that time. However, I did talk to him but I don't remember what the conversation was.

Mr. Ball. Did a Mrs. Randle come in the house also?

Mr. Stovall. No, sir; she didn't. While we were loading this stuff into our car and into the sheriff's deputy's car, we were on the outside, and you know, going in and out, and she had stopped Adamcik and was talking to him and he came over and talked to me and went on back and talked to her and she said that her brother had taken Oswald to work that morning and she said that she had seen him put some kind of a package in the back seat of her brother's car. She told us it could have been a rifle—is what she said. She said it was either in a brown paper box or wrapped in brown paper.

Mr. Ball. What time did you leave there that day?