Mr. Carroll. I didn't see anybody strike him—it's possible that someone did, but I didn't see it because I was busy just trying to get him.
Mr. Ball. Did you grab some part of Oswald?
Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir; I grabbed him.
Mr. Ball. Where?
Mr. Carroll. It was below his shoulders, I think I grabbed him by his arm, trying to get one arm behind him or something.
I mean, it all happened so fast—as far as me sitting down and detailing it—I believe it was his right arm.
Mr. Ball. Was Oswald saying anything during this struggle?
Mr. Carroll. Not that you could understand, you know; he was making sounds like normally they will do when you are engaged in some kind of a vigorous scuffle or something like that.
Mr. Ball. What happened then after that?
Mr. Carroll. Well, after we got the handcuffs on him—it was McDonald and Jerry Hill, Ray Hawkins and myself, and I believe there was—I think it was Hutson—we started out of the theatre and we took him out through the main lobby to our car, which was parked right in front where we had left it—where Lyons and I pulled up, and we put him in our car in the back seat and I was driving and Jerry Hill was riding next to me and somewhere after this deal, someway or other—I don't know exactly when it was—Paul Bentley had joined the crowd, and he got into the car in the right-front seat and then Oswald and Hutson, I believe, were in the back seat, and we left there and drove to the police station.