Mr. Ball. Who was handcuffed to Oswald?
Mr. Perry. Clark was handcuffed.
Mr. Ball. That was No. 3. Who was 4?
Mr. Perry. Ables.
Mr. Ball. Did you ever know him before?
Mr. Perry. I had seen—had seen him, but I didn't know him personally.
Mr. Ball. He is a clerk in the jail?
Mr. Perry. Yes.
Mr. Ball. Policeman ask you any questions? Detective ask you any questions?
Mr. Perry. Yes, sir; my name and what have you.