(Off record discussion.)
Mr. Clark. So, getting back to that party—so we didn't go to the party at the Fords. I have heard that George De Mohrenschildt is the one that took the Oswalds to the Ford party and that he saw them off and on after that and that during that period of time we would hear in Fort Worth that Oswald had beat Marina up and that she had to run off, and quite a bit of physical violence, and that George finally got hold of Oswald and threatened him—picked him up by his shirt and shook him like a dog and told him he would really work him over if he ever laid another hand on her.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you think that was sometime after the Ford party?
Mr. Clark. I feel pretty sure it was. I have nothing to tie it to but I think it was.
Mr. Liebeler. How often did you see De Mohrenschildt during the period January 1, 1963, to the time he left for Haiti?
Mr. Clark. I do not recall exactly when he left for Haiti.
Mr. Liebeler. I think it was in May sometime.
Mr. Clark. I know one time during that period I think George went to Pennsylvania or New York.
Mr. Liebeler. Yes; that's right, I believe.
Mr. Clark. I would say we would see them at least once every 2 or 3 weeks maybe. He might drop over to the office in Fort Worth on the way through. I think he did that a couple times and we would either see him at his apartment or he would come to our house. We saw him once a month or maybe more.