Mr. Bouhe. All right, and essentially what I will say is prior to about December 28, 1962, because I have not met any of them since.
It seemed to me that she was a lost soul, as I understood without investigating the girl, no papa, no mama, no home, I don't know who they were, brought up by probably an old grandmother, born perhaps at the time of the greatest holocaust that existed there from 1941, 1942, and 1943, when Leningrad was surrounded by Germans and there was a great deal of privation, hunger, and, I heard, even cannibalism.
Maybe she was thinking that this is an awful place and she would have to do whatever she could to get out.
Maybe she was partly influenced by her grandmother who, I would say, is of the old school, but I don't know.
And I think she must have been looking for that opportunity which presented itself in Minsk.
So I think she is a very thinking person, but what her ultimate goal was or is, I cannot guess even now.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you tell the FBI that you thought Marina was a product of the Soviet machine and that all initiative had been removed from her?
Mr. Bouhe. I certainly don't remember if I said that, those specific words, but that is what I believe. If you are educated by the Soviet regime, in their schools, I think you don't think anything of your own, which is substantially what I said, isn't it, or is it not?
Mr. Liebeler. Yes; she had had all initiative removed from her.
Mr. Bouhe. Except a romantic initiative to get a man and do something about it.