Mr. Liebeler. Would you say you are a friend of Mrs. Ford's?
Mrs. Ray. I have known Mrs. Ford for a long time. I would say yes. I mean she is not my very closest friend but she is a friend; yes. I see her now and then three or four times a year maybe sometimes more. She is the first Russian I met here in Dallas.
Mr. Liebeler. Were you at the Ford's party between Christmas and New Year's, 1962?
Mrs. Ray. Yes.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you remember seeing Oswald there?
Mrs. Ray. Yes; I do. I got there early because I had to bring some hor d'oeuvres for the party and they walked in and I was very much surprised to see them. I just said "Hello, how's the baby?" She said "Fine" and then I went and started immediately with the other people. He is so hard to talk to and this was a party and I did not want to spend my time drawing it out of him and thought I would go where there is better conversation going on and I did and in about an hour or so, it seems like they were gone. I just spoke that one time "Hello, how is the baby" and made few comments. They did not stay very long and I think that is the first time she ever left baby with baby sitter; somebody was talking care.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you know how Oswald came to the party?
Mrs. Ray. Yes; later on "Katya"——
Mr. Liebeler. That is K-a-t-y-a [spelling]?
Mrs. Ray. Katya told me—that is Mrs. Ford—George De Mohren—it's something; I don't know him very well at all.